Question: Hey guys, this will be so much easier! Ok so Julie, that is great that AF is not here yet. Sometimes it can take a while for implantation and that is why you are getting the negatives. Don't give up just yet!! Fingers crossed for you! Jenna, I posted your chart address on the CS and this is what I heard...the first thing I notice is that her luteal phase is only 9 days long. Thats just NOT enough! If there is anything I've learned from our charting expert it is that you cannot make a baby with only 9 dpo before AF. Her temps barely have enough time to get elevated before its time to drop for AF, so they never even get that high. I'd definitely suggest finishing charting for this month, printing them out, and taking them to a doctor. Jenna, with that being said, I think, I say think I took vitamin B6 for that. You might research B6 and pregnancy to see. I am still taking it. So keep on temping and charting and we will keep an eye on it ok?? ?
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Answer: Hi! just wanted to pop in and post to Jenna about her chart. I looked at the last one and the current one (current looks fine and like you are just coming up on ovulation in a few days). Now, what Frances said about the last chart is true. If you only have a 9 day luteal phase (time from ovulation to AF) it's too short and taking B6 daily can help that naturally (I take 100mg daily). If possible add in B12 too as they work together. BUT, when I look closer at the chart I am not totally convinced that FF got your O day right. I think there is a possibility that you ovulated on cd13 (slight possibility) and just have slow rising temps. I swear that it can always be off some. If you look at my last chart FF says I ovulated on a Tuesday but we had sex on a Friday before and I got pregnant. All my ultrasounds later have put the baby's date at the Friday for conception so FF was probably off by 4 days or so. My temps were still low for those 4 days though so it doesn't make sense even to me and I've analyzed the crap out of charts for over a year. Anyways, sorry to ramble, but for now I'd just take a prenatal, B6 and B12 daily as it's good for anyone even not ttc. OH! Also I wish I had been told this when I started charting especially after my first loss, but it is a good idea to have your doctor at least test your hormones and your thyroid. Have a Day 3 test where LH, FSH, Estradiol are checked to see where your hormones stand. A progesterone check on day 21 is pretty useless actually, but if your doctor does it, great. Have a TSH test on day 3 also (or any day for that matter) and also make sure you have your T3 and T4 checked along with the TSH. It's like a thyroid panel. Thyroid problems can be a huge factor in not getting pregnant and/or miscarrying. I say this especially because many many women have underactive thyroids (even just a tiny bit where it can go undetected) and never know it because symptoms are either not present or are not severe. It looks to me that overall your temps are on the LOW end. Even t hough you have beautiful curve and sustained temps in luteal phase, they never break 98 (that's not something that has to happen, I'm just looking for trends and possible issues)....that wouldn't be sucha big deal but your pre-O temps get really low at some points. I started seeing a fertility acupuncturist back in July and that is one of the first things she pointed out to me about my temps. After a few sessions and my overall temps started to rise. I also found out at about the same time that I had low iodine levels which suggest underactive thyroid. My temps got better and I believe it was due to the supplements and the acupuncture. Anyways, sorry for rambling!!! Good luck to you! =
Answer: Stef, you are the best! Thanks for coming in here and posting to Jenna. I appreciate it! =
Answer: No problem! I reread that though and realized that I forgot to explain that an underactive thyroid is shown by low body temps. =
Answer: Jenna, here is another post about your chart. taking extra V-B6 and that it can help increase the luteal phase by like a day or two! It DID THAT for me!!!!! I had issues with my luteal phase being too short, and I took the extra V-B6 with Brevin's cycle all the way through, and got my BFP!!!! So please tell her to start doing that for sure!!! I can't remember how much I took. =
Answer: Thank you so much Frances you don’t know how much that means to me that you put my chart out on the CS!!!!!!!!!! Stefkay, you are absolutely amazing to give me so much information. I am really hoping that you are right about ovulation day as that is what I have been hoping for all along. I am also going to start using opk as of today for seven days to see what it will tell me. The last chart started out telling me that I may have o on cd 11 then cd 13 then cd 16, so I am hoping things will be better this cycle. I do realize I have low temps and I should really get my thyroid checked anyway because I know that my grandmother has issues with that. I am currently taking a prenatal vitamin so should I add an extra B6 and B12 at 100mg? I will run out to the store today if that is the case. Also thanks for all the info on testing as I was aware of some of the tests but not all of them. At least this cycle so far my temp has only gone under 97 only once. I was not that consistent with the time I took my temp last cycle it was always between 3:45 to 5:30. This time I have been very good at taking it between 3:55 to 4:10 every morning. A fertility acupuncturist sounds very interesting. It has crossed my mind to maybe look into it. I am going to take all of your suggestions and put them to use. I will wait and see what happens to my temps this cycle and if nothing gets better I will be going to the doctor. Again I so appreciate you looking at my chart and giving me all of this information. Frances thanks for starting a new thread. I will be on probably everyday from here on out. I am so excited to have all of this information. If either one of you reads this, will you please let me know if I should go get some B6 and B12 today? Thanks, you are both so awesome!!!!!!!!!!! =
Answer: Jenna, I still take the B6 daily. I also take prenatal and an extra folic acid. It won't hurt to start taking them now. I am so glad you got some good info. I knew the CS gals would be able to help. The first info came from Kathy and the second info came from Lori. Those are the ones I cut and pasted. I would get the vitamins today and start taking in the am. Sometimes the B vitamins can give you energy and you don't want that at night!! =
Answer: Thanks Frances, I will get them tonight and wait to take them tomorrow. I am so excited!!! I am really hoping this is my month but if not then I will be going to the doctor soon. =
Answer: Jenna, I take 100mg B6 and I can't remember how much B12 (I need to get a new bottle--but just look for something in the mid ranges, like not a low dose, but not the highest)....oh! and when you said that you take your temps that early I thought that MIGHT make your temps a bit lower because I think they tend to increase a tiny bit as it gets later in the morning. Not sure on that, but the thyroid testing would be easy and a good idea with fam history. Glad to be of help!!! :) =
Answer: Thanks Ladies! I went and got myself some V-B6 at 100mg and V-B12 at 1000mcg. The V-B12 also had 500 mcg and 2500 mcg, so I just got the one in the middle. Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing how my temps turn out for the rest of the week. I have heard that temps may be a little lower the earlier you temp. I sure hope Julie will join us soon. Have a great night!!! =
Answer: Hi! I'm still here. Wow, thanks stefkay for that info. That's handy to me as well. I'm especially interested in the thyroid issue. Last pregnancy the doctor wanted to test me for thyroid issues (because I was so tired) but we found out I miscarried first so I never bothered to test because it seemed pointless. Now I will definitely ask to be tested the next time I go for an appointment, whenever that will be. No news here - another BFN this morning but no AF either. I'm really not all that anxious about it for some odd reason. I think because if I got a positive, I would have to go to the doctor and I associate going to the doctor with bad news, so right now I just get to dream and wonder without anyone raining on my parade. Thanks for starting the new thread Frances! Oh, and Jenna, a friend told me about a technique she called INVERSION. As soon as the deed is done (like instantly), throw your legs and butt way up in the air - like so your arms are holding up your back and you are almost doing a headstand, only your weight is on your shoulders instead of the top of your head. Hold that position for 5 to 10 minutes - as long as you can with your legs and butt straight up in the air to give the swimmers a chance to head south. While you are doing that, have hubby grab some big fluffy pillows and put them where your butt will be when you put it down. When you get tired of being upside down, lower your butt gently onto the pillows and go to sleep. She said it works like a charm. Her husband says if it doesn't work, at least the guy gets tons of laughs out of it. Have a great night. =
Answer: Julie, glad you made it over. Jenna, glad you got your vitamins! Julie, when was your period due? I did not sleep well last night at all I got up at 2 as usual to go to the bathroom and then could not go back to sleep till 4. I hate nights like that. Maybe tonight will be better. I hope everyone had a good day today! =
Answer: Julie, I am glad you are doing well. It would be so exciting when you get a bfp even if it is not right now but I sure am hoping for you. How long are your normal cycles and what cycle day are you on now? Dreaming is sure fun. I also wanted to let you know that I read the INVERSION details to dh and he got a kick out of it and said that we will be trying that tomorrow night. Also, it is kind of funny because I tried doing a similar position last night after bding. Frances, please let all those who helped me with my chart on the CS that I say thank you and appreciate all of their responses. My chart has not changed much today and I did an opk test tonight and it was negative so I am assuming I will not o tomorrow on cd 13 but hopefully it will happen soon and my luteal phase will be longer this time. I also wanted to mention that my cycles are not normally that short they are normally 28 to 29 days so I am not sure if this m/c completely changed my cycles. Anyway, Frances I hope you do get a better night sleep tonight and yes I hate those nights I just had one last night myself as I have been a little stressed with work but the stress should soon be gone as of Friday I hope. But being pg and not getting any sleep is really not fun at all. Have a great night ladies and I will be back on tomorrow. Maybe there will be a bfp soon!!!!!! :) =
Answer: I should've spotted on Friday night and gotten my period full force on Saturday. I'm pretty much perfect 28 days - once in a while 27, could possibly be 29. The longest I've ever gone was 30 and that was right after going off the pill. Tomorrow (Thursday) will be day 34 for me. BFN for me again this morning. I'm really entertained by this whole process at this point - its like watching a good suspense movie. Jenna, I'm glad inversion gave your hubbie a good laugh - we definitely thought it was pretty funny. i wish you could've seen my friend describe it at a dinner table with about 10 of our friends. Even the waitress stopped to listen. Good night and sleep tight Frances. I usually wake up about 3am and can't sleep either for at least 45 minutes, so with the time change, we're probably up about the same time. =
Answer: Jenna, as far as I know 3 of the girls looked. Well, at least 3 commented. It was Stefkay, ChattKatthy, and Oncemore (Lori). Julie, interesting that nothing is going on either way right now. I will keep my fingers crossed for that bfp to come in the next couple of days. Ok girls, off to Curves. Talk to you all later! =
Answer: Well, I'm spotting this morning. DARN. Soooo disappointing. And since now my ovulation would be a week late this coming month because it looks like AF is a week late, DH is out of town during that time and I'm gone during ovulation in March. Darn it. That means our next chance would be in April. Darn, darn, darn. =
Answer: Julie, that sucks!! Why can't Dh be home when you need him?! You don't temp or chart or anything do you? Are you going to start taking the B vitamins? Are you just going to let it happen? What is you next step (so to speak)? =
Answer: Julie, I am just curious if spotting turned into full-blown AF. Please let me know how you are doing. I know that the first day of AF I get very emotional and I really just need to let it all out. Frances, did you get a good night sleep last night? I hope so. How are your symptoms and when is your next appointment? Frances, I was wondering if you would maybe take another look at my chart. I think I ovulated between CD10 or CD12 FF is telling me I did on CD10. I think I did also my temps did rise I am just hoping they keep on rising. I am also wondering if there is an issue if you ovulate to early now. Any information that you are able to offer me would be great. I just think it is odd that my temps went up so early this time around. Please let me know what you think. I have been thinking about it all day today and I am hoping that this is good news for me since dh and I bd on CD 9 and 11. Thank you in advance I so appreciate you looking for me, as I don’t really have anyone else to look at it with me that would have any clue on what it means. I hope you girls are having a great Friday night. =
Answer: Hey Jenna, I will look at your chart although as you know I am not the pro. All is well with me. Tired and sore boobs is all, the morning sickness has faded but the heartburn has set in. I go back for my regular monthly ob appt on Tuesday. Julie, did you get a full flow? Let us know! I hope everyone has a great weekend. =
Answer: Jenna, I just looked at your chart, interesting. You ovulated early! Let me post you address again on the CS and see if anyone can give us some insight. Ok?? Keep on taking the B vitamins and temping. Be sure to try and take your temp as close to the same time that you can over the weekend! =
Answer: Thanks Frances! I temp at 4:00 every morning I even set an alarm clock. I usually go back to sleep after I temp. I just know that I will wake up every morning to go potty so I temp at that time. I usually get up at about 5:30 for work but I know I will wake up before that to use the bathroom. I also am a VIP member to FF. So I just asked one of there VIP guides to let me know what they think about it and if ovulation can move within each cycle to a different day. I can’t wait to see what CS says. I find it very interesting also. Any information would be wonderful. =
Answer: Yes, AF arrived in full today. Which completely throws me off for the month of February and means conception is completely impossible due to our travel schedules. I give up. =
Answer: Julie, don’t give up please. You were once pregnant and you can be again. Were you charting or using opk test or monitoring? Have you talked to your doctor? AF is so hard and especially when it comes at a different time. I truly do understand my af came at cd 17 on January 1st and that is when I decided I need to start charting to figure out what is going on. I think I may be scheduling an appointment with my doctor to see if she is able to help after this cycle. Please don’t give up. I know this has been a difficult time for you as losing a baby is always difficult. Please let us know how you are feeling so we can help. I know that I get very angry and sad all at the same time when af arrives. I can only hope that it will happen to me and I will have a newborn in my arms with dh beside me and I hope it happens to all of us. Janna~ =
Answer: Hi, Jenna. I'm from TheCleanSlate and was TTC with charting for a while. I took a look at your chart thanks to Frances giving us the link. The first part of your cycle can be any length. Sometimes it can be shorter than the normal 14 days, sometimes longer. That part isn't really the important part. Whats more important is the last part of your cycle called the luteal phase (the days past ovulation). If you still only have 10 or less days past ovulation, PLEASE talk to your doctor about it. Most little eggies implant on 8-10dpo, so if your body is already preparing for menstruation that doesn't give the little embryo a chance! Stef is the real expert here, so hopefully she can give you more information than I can, but I'd really recommend seeing a fertility specialist about your charts. I'd hate to imagine you wasting so many cycles if there is something that can be done to help them out and give your little future baby a chance! =
Answer: Thank you ChattyKathy! I appreciate your comments and I have seen you around the forum and I trust that you know what you are talking about. It is very unusual for me to get my af at 26 days as I did last time. I usually have normal af between 28 and 29 days so I am trying not to worry. Does it completely change you when you have m/c? I can see it changing for a while but it has been over 5 months now since my m/c. I will be seeing my doctor after this cycle if nothing gets better. I will actually be making an appointment on Monday because I know it may take little while to get in. As Stefkay said earlier she thought that I may have ovulated on the 13th the cycle before. So that would be closer to what FF is saying I am ovulating now. I don’t know I just really want something wonderful to happen like it once did. I hope you get this Chattykathy. And again thank you! Thank you also Frances, as always you are so helpful. =
Answer: Hello girlies sorry to butt in but Frances asked us to bounce over. Jenna, it's not uncommon for ovulation to take place on CD10 and a good freind of mine did and her little boy is nearlly two so don't give up hope just yet. The concern with you lies with the LP. If it isn't long enough baby doesn't stand a chance. Most doctors insist LP needs to be 12 days or longer (mine was always 18 so I had even longer to test!!! LOL!). I also think FF got OV wrong in January's cycle and it actually took place on CD13/CD14 and the reason it didn't pick it is due to the lack of info on CM. I will usually pick around the last day of fertile CM as being OV but I ALWAYS had fertile CM AFTER ovulation for a few days. If you want to have a look my chart home address is d3ad9. Those on the home page are my pregnancy charts and ignore the ticker!!! You sound to be doing everything right in trying to get a longer LP but unfortunately for many women after a m/c it screws everything up completely. Aprilbaby, OV can definitely move around the cycle and hence the reason why some with irregular cycles start AF on very different days. My cycles when I was having them would move radomly form 31 days to 36 days and sometimes longer. The average was 33days for me. The only thing that will usually stay the same is the LP and it is always within a day so if your LP is (like mine) 18 days it won't suddenly drop to 13 without something being very very wrong. I have ovulated between CD11 and CD 25 (after the m/c) with the averages being between CD12 and CD16. Good luck ladies in TTC! =
Answer: JULIE! So sorry that Af showed! That sucks! I agree with Jenna that you should not give up...Have you guys considered seeing someone about ttc and getting help from them? I know your travel schedule is going to get busy but I so hate to hear that you are going to give up. Like Jenna said, what about charting? It might help you figure out what your body is doing. Just a thought. Stay in touch and let us know how you are. When do you leave on your trip?? =
Answer: Julie, I am just checking in to see how you are doing. Please update us. It has been a while. Is there anything new in your life have you been snowboarding lately? Take care! Jenna~ =
Answer: Jenna and Frances, are you still out there? I dropped off the face of the planet in February because the stress of it all just got to me and I needed to disappear. I just thought I would check in and say hi. Jenna, I skimmed the clean slate looking for you and read something about a few chemical pregnancies? I'm so so so so sorry. Frances, you must be due soon? Just saying hi and that I still think about you guys sometimes. Julie =
Answer: Julie holy CRAP!! Where have you been?? I saw this post Angles and FrancesM and I thought what the heck!I thought someone signed in as me! LOL I am glad to hear from you!! How was your big trip?? Jenna and I have wondered where you were. Yep, still around and due soon. Official due date August 8 but they think they might take him at 38 weeks so that would be around the last of July. HOW ARE YOU!! Anything new?? Wow, I am so glad to see that you popped in!! Come over the CS if you want to, we would love to have you! I will have to post to Jenna that you are back around. So glad to hear from you! Stay in touch! =
Answer: Julie – OMG, OMG, OMG, I am so happy to hear from you. It has been a while and I think of you often. What is new with you? I totally understand the frustration that you must have felt at that time. Heck I still feel it now that I have had two Chemical pregnancies. Are you trying again? I am so happy to see you post you don’t even know. Please let us know how you are doing. If you want to come over to the CS that would be wonderful but if you want to post here that would be fine also. I didn’t think I would be able to keep up with the CS but I have been on there for about 6 months now and I seem to keep up okay. Anyway. Post again please. Jenna =
Answer: Hi Guys! Thank you so much for the warm welcome back. You are both so sweet to make me feel missed! Thank you. Frances, I'm so happy for you that everything is going well. Sounds like you are having a boy? Congratulations! Jenna, I'm so sorry for the chemical pregnancies. I could cry for you. I'm so happy that you have supportive women around you though on the CS. As for me, not much new. We've continued to try, but haven't had any luck. AF shows up regularly. I can't really say I expect any different anymore. I finally decided to try a reproductive endocrinologist, just to give it a try. We did one month of clomid without success and switched to injectables and progesterone this month. I trust and like the doctor so we will see what happens. I feel like I don't have to think about it because he is thinking about it for me. He's tested my ovaries and says they are fine - lots of eggs, thyroid is fine, my uterus looks good and my tubes are open. Husband's sperm is fine. The RE tells me I'm the healthiest patient he has, which is comforting yet not. He said today we will try maybe three months of injectables and maybe IUI and if that doesn't work, then I would get referred elsewhere for IVF. We haven't yet decided if we want to do that. We've been traveling like maniacs since the miscarriage, and I'm finally exhausted and just wanting to stay home. The miscarriage is never far from my mind and I can't get over it but am learning to finally accept it and whatever comes my way. I so loved being on this site but found it stressed me out and made me assume the worst of my body. I assumed everything anyone mentioned was my problem and stressed myself to the point where I had to leave. I do miss you guys and think of you. I'll try to check in on you - I am still so hoping the best for you both. Jenna, you are so darn brave that I am in tears. Your optimism and strength is an inspiration to me. I especially was thinking of you in April - darn if that wasn't a hard month to get through! Frances, your success gives me hope. Thank you so much for remembering me and making me feel so welcome. No matter what happens for me, I won't ever forget you guys. I'll do better at staying in touch. Julie =
Answer: Julie, I don’t want to lose touch with you again. Wow you have been busy with getting down to the bottom of what is going on. That is great and it sound like both you and dh are in great health. I really hope this is your time and you get a bfp soon before having to do the IVF. Either way you will have your little one. I am on CD 10 today and will ovulate tomorrow sometime. DH and I have this whole timing thing down pat. I noticed some ewcm this morning and knew that it was time to get busy. This afternoon I had a positive opk test and that confirmed it. I have no problems getting pregnant when I time it right. I just went in yesterday for some testing which is called habitual blood testing so I should get the results by Monday I am hoping. The only thing that sucks about getting these tests done is that my insurance won’t cover it until my deductible is paid off which is $500 so I am excepting a big bill but it will be worth it if I can have my little one. Anyway, I sure hope things are going well for you. Will you be testing soon? Keep in touch. Jenna =
Answer: Jenna, How are you doing? I just skimmed through the clean slate to see how you are doing and saw that you got a BFP in July but then disappeared and I didn't see anything else from you. Are you okay? Just checking in... No news here (as always). =
Answer: Hi Julie! Well I am not pregnant. I was really frustrated with everything and just have not posted. When I know more I will post again. I did have a whole blood work up done and I have factor 5 leiden which is a blood clotting issue. I have an appointment on Sept. 2nd with a hematologist. Well I will let you know when I have more information. As of now I am trying not to think about it to much and throwing my self into my work. Jenna =
Answer: Jenna, I'm so so sorry. Hopefully now you know what is wrong and maybe you can fix it. You get pregnant relatively easily thus far, so hopefully you can find a solution and have success. I'm so hopeful for you now that you know what is wrong. I'm so sorry though. Getting your hopes up over and over has to be crushing. I'm not sure what is worse emotionally - me never getting pregnant again or getting your hopes up and getting crushed over and over. I can't express how sorry I am. I hope your hematologist is fantastic and has solutions for you. I didn't get my repeat april baby either - someday, right? =
