It's great to see that I am not crazy. Everyone thinks I am crazy because I want to have twins and it's nice to see that I am not alone!!! I just ordered my clomid from the internet. I have been checked out by my midwife and everything has come back fine. My husband had a vasectomy when our daughter was 11 months old (much to my dismay). But last June he went and got a reversal done. We have been trying to conceive since August (since it takes 3 months to build up your sperm count from a reversal) with no luck.His sperm count is up to 34 million which is ok, not great but ok. He started taking vitamin c and L-caratine and the mega men multi-vitamin like the urologist told him since his little guys have problems with swimming straight. He's been on them for 2 months and goes in a few weeks to see if there making a difference in his sperm analysis. But I am sick of waiting!!! I just want a baby and so does he. I am waiting to receive my order and get started taking it. I am new to this whole ttc thing and don't know any of the abbreviations. So i need to know in lay mens terms when do i start taking it. Is it days 2-6 when your on your period or days 2-6 when your ovulating? I am using the clear blue easy monitor and ovulate every month with a 32 day cycle. My midwife thinks it's just a matter of trying to hard. She says since it only took hours to conceive our daughter that I am thinking about it to much. Is there something to this? Is there anything to do psychologically with conception? She seems to think so but I am curious to see what you all think? ↓
No, you are crazy... if you get twins and they are in the NICU for weeks or months then you will realize that yes, you are crazy and so are the others who are ttc twins with u/p drugs. Its SELFISH plain and simple. So many women need these drugs to even have kids at all and you are abusing them. I had twins and I think its offensive what you are doing. ↑
To sphinx----As a matter of fact I am being prescribed these drugs. My midwife just wants me to wait one more month to see if it happens or not and I don't want to wait. SO if you have nothing nice to say then don't say it all!!! Didn't your mother teach you better than that?? This forum isn't to have an argument with others or to judge them. There are a lot of women out there like me who yearn for twins and would do just about anything to have them. If you think it's so offensive then maybe this forum isn't for you and you should look some where else to place your judgment!!! ↑
sphinx! what's up girl! **lacey** maybe you don't realise it, but this forum is for moms of multiples, which sphinx just happens to be. and i don't believe your comment that your midwife prescribed clomid. why would you order them off of the internet? i suppose it's possible, but why not go to a local pharmacy like everyone else that was *actually* prescribed it? you can even put in a prescription at walmart for it. just so you know, clomid will raise your chances for twins a whopping 3-5% so i hope it's worth the risk. you see, if you were really prescribed it, then you'd also know more about this drug, like when to take it. if you take it on days 2-6, which are cycle days, not ovulation days, then you'll have more follicles, but they will have a much higher chance at not surviving because they won't be as developed as if you take them on days 5-9. and you count cycle day 1 as the first day you have fresh red blood. not spotting. you have had a child on your own without meds. if you are healthy, it is simply ignorant to put yourself through that kind of treatment when it is clearly your husband that needs meds to get back to where he was pre-vasectomy. just so you know, i had to take clomid but mine was prescribed. my husband and i tried for 3 years before we got our first positive. let me educate you on the dangers of this drug, since you obviously know nothing about it, either. if you are not monitored by ultrasound, you may not know until it's too late that you have overstimulated your ovaries or you could get a cyst on an ovary or both and either problem can lead to you losing the ovary altogether. i've sat here and read people's reasons for wanting twins and wanting to do "whatever it takes" to get them and i've had to read their opinions and now you get mine. if you can have children without medication, be thankful to God that you were given that blessing. trying to have twins by taking meds you don't need is playing God and i hope for your sake that you will think a little more on this. if your husband's sperm count isn't up high enough or the little guys need more vitamins, no amount of clomid that you take will make one bit of difference. if he needs better numbers, he should be the one taking the clomid. but if you're going to be stubborn, which obviously you are, because you don't allow people to give you their opinions, then take it on days 5-9. oh and don't bother temping or using opk's because clomid gives hot flashes which affect temping and it can give false positives on opk's. oh and it thins your uterine lining, so if you do get pregnant while taking it, you have to watch your progesterone levels and make sure they're high enough and make sure your lining is thick enough to support a pregnancy, and it dries out your cervical mucus, so you can't track ovulation that way either. you see, the majority of women who take clomid are monitored constantly so we know exactly when ovulation occurs so we don't have to guess. i agree with sphinx, though. it is selfish of you when you can have them on your own with no assistance. and didn't your mother teach you to listen to what your doctor says? they don't say for you to wait to hear themselves speak. but whatever. you know everything already, right? that's why you don't know what cycle days are. ↑
ok I was all for u/p clomid I tried 50mg days 2-6 last month and did not notice if I ovulated or not then 2 days ago cd1 I took 100mg clomid and on cd2 PAIN!!!!! I have a 6cm cyst in my right ovary I could barely move and may need surgery and hopefully the cyst is just fluid filled so watch out cause I know! ↑
i don't want people to think that i look down on women who take clomid unprescribed but my opinion is that if you don't need it, for example, you can have kids without it, you shouldn't take it unless a doctor says to. but for ladies who don't have periods and have an actual reason, it's not up to me, either way really, but i'd rather they take it correctly than get hurt. i mean i had no cysts from it and it can make you pretty miserable even when being monitored. i'm sorry that happened, schar and hope that you get better soon. they sometimes put women on b/c when they have a cyst to avoid surgery so hopefully you heal fast! ↑
and i really hope that the ladies i talk to that do take clomid u/p understand my hormonal ranting lol. i'm about to cry here any minute so that explains a lot of my answers lol! ↑
well this is whats happened- I miscarried a set of twins before my daughter at 5 months. I then had my daughter. Got breast cancer, fought that and won then have had 4 miscarriages since then with one of them being at 8 1/2 months. SO... I have been under doctors supervision. She's a CNM who I adore and understands my want for another set of twins. I ordered my u/p clomid planning on taking it as soon as I got it but then got a yeast infection and went to see her. That's when I talked to her about it. I showed her the website of what I was planning on taking and she just wanted me to wait for another sperm count to compare the 2 of them to see if there making a difference in his mobility and to show them to her before I started taking them.Then if those don't work (cause I only ordered a small amount) she is going to do the script. But you see i had already ordered them off the net before I got the yeast infection so there already on the way. I take offense to the fact that you all are judging me before the complete story is out. I have suffered through the loss of many babies and to have a still born is something you just don't get over. I am sorry that you all are so judgmental !! I thought that maybe this was a place where I could get some support and advise and talk to people to find out what others are experiencing. But I guess I was wrong. Just a tidbit for everyone- don't judge someone till you know there WHOLE story and if it sounds like there's more to it then ask!!! ↑
well see lexus, the thing is if u have one baby it is a blessing, seeing how you miscarried what seems to be numerous babies in the past. why would you want to make a high risk pregnancy, (which you WILL have)even higher risk with twins? and put TWO babies lives in jepoardy??? i just don't get it, people take things for granted too much in this world. ↑
I hate to see negativity on these threads. You know there is a few clomid threads and some that I've noticed are for unprescribed clomid. I think they may be more supportive and offer better advice. I myself have been prescribed clomid but have been unable to start it b/c I did not get it in time for my last cycle. I will say though to those that take unprescribed clomid I don't think they should be beat up as hard. There is so much negativity to this in these forums. First of all yes there is a risk one which my doctor went over with me in great detail. However if you decide to do this unprescribed if you understand the risks then who are we to judge. Infertility is an emotional rollercoaster one that makes us desperate and willing to do just about anything. Its been over a year since my husband and I started trying to concieve. I know for others its been longer but every month makes me more and more emotional. You should tell a doctor (not a midwife b/c they don't have much pharmacology training) just so they can tell you what to look for. A doctor can warn you against but cannot stop you from taking it. As far as this forum being for mothers and mothers to be of multiples, I think thats a bit selfish. There is enough room on here for users to posts threads differently and those that want to have multiples or want advice or to hear the experience of mothers of multiples shouldn't be unincluded. Thats why we post different threads so those that aren't interested in anything but moms or moms to be of multiples can find those. I am saying this in a positive way and have no quarrell with anyone here. God Bless you and many baby wishes to you all. ↑
lacey: you said it wasn't u/p. why lie about it? it isn't prescribed then and she should be monitoring you even while you take your u/p meds. and not to sound mean, but i don't care about your whole story. you are putting yourself at risk for the sake of twins. if all you can have is one at a time, be thankful because there are women that can't even have that. take it if you want. if we're not allowed to give our opinions about u/p clomid takers, then you aren't allowed to give your opinion on those of us who oppose. you're going to do what you want and if something happens, then i just hope it was all worth it. but i hope it works for you. ↑
Thank you Donna you seem like such a sweetheart. So what's your story? I have seen those forums but the ones that i found were old. Have you seen any that are recent? My midwife is actually a certified nurse midwife who works under a doctor. She's been with me through each miscarriage. So I think the world of her. I agree with you on the emotional roller coaster thing. I can't believe how emotional envolved it can be. Even for my dh. He'll call from work and ck every day when it's close to AF time to see if it arrived! Every month you think maybe this is it then BAM!!! And we want 3-4 more children and i am not getting any younger!! lol ↑
laceylexus- well my story LOL. As I said I've been trying for over a year now. I was diagnosed with PCOS meaning I don't ovulate on my own when they discovered a cyst on my ovary. I was forced to go back on BC and then we started trying again without success which is why I was put on clomid. However it looks as though I may ovulate on my own atleast by my temps it looks like it could happen tomorrow or the next day. I'm crossing my fingers anyway. As far as the emotional rollercoaster yeah its been tough. I'm trying to be positive and the ladies on here have really helped keep me upbeat. I have a wonderful place here to chat about it and not feel like I'm burdening someone else with my problems b/c everyone knows what I'm going through, they're going through it too. Its nice to meet you and I wisj you all the success. I would also love to have twins b/c god knows I don't want to go through this again but I will be happy with whatever god gives me. Twins do run in my family though. ↑
since we're telling our stories. for a total of 7 years i was ttc before i got my bfp. and it took clomid for me. yeah mine was prescribed, but that's neither here nor there. it took me 150mg because my ovaries are stubborn i imagine. it fits me. a lot of women find success with 50mg and for others 150mg seems the be the magic dosage. but before you turn your nose up at everyone including me, you might want a little advice since obviously i know a lot more about clomid than you do and i'd rather see you take it at the right times and not get hurt in all of this rather than be stubborn trying to prove my point. i don't care how much you research on the internet, i can guarantee i know tips and tricks that you didn't find. my doc was very thorough which helps a lot. and smack your midwife on the head because if she's going to allow you to take it, she should have told you what to do and how to take it, which she didn't. ↑
Oh Teddy I am far from turning up my nose at you!!! I am not that kind of person. I am very open to thoughts and suggestion on clomid. That's why I am here!! That's crazy that it took 150mg and 7 years! Props to you. I have never heard of such a high dose!!! You must be one stubborn lady!!! LOL So your pregnant now? How far along? My midwife suggested me to start on 25mg. And she wanted me to bring the pills in so she could make sure I didn't get scammed like some of the people I have read about on here and she was going to inform me on directions. So I better not smack her yet!!! LOL Donna- I wish you the best of luck. From other stories that I have read people have had lots of luck after b/c. I hope your blessed with the baby (ies) you desire. And just keep telling those little fishes to swim, swim, swim!!! I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers!! *** Baby dust blown in all directions**** ↑
*Teddy* I think you're doing a good thing by telling your clomid experience. I would really like to hear it. Maybe you have some advice my doctor didn't give me. Besides I haven't even started taking it yet. Seven years for you I think you're a pioneer and it makes me believe there is hope for all of us. *Laceylexus* Good luck to you as well and god bless both of you. ↑
Laceylexus, if you miscarried twins before then you are probably already at risk to have twins again assuming they are fraternal. Just because you miscarried them is not a free ticket to ttc twins with drugs you don't need. If this were how things worked then I would do the same thing to ttc triplets since I lost a triplet. Your logic is flawed, bigtime. What it one of your twins is born with a serious problem or birth defect or worse, stillborn? My mother had a stillborn twin and both my grandmother and my mother spent their entire lives in grief. If you keep having miscarriages then Obviously you have no problem getting pregnant. Oh and, my mother is dead now so you can leave her out of this from now on. She died when I was just a child and you are the one who is being offensive, not me. Teddy, hi, how have you been? Thanks for your input here. There is a place for clomid and I don't think its with laceylexus. I think she is abusing it. ↑
**sphinx** Why the hostility? You seem concerned about Laceylexus decisions which should be from the heart not from anger. Concerns should be expressed positively otherwise your wasting your words and just fueling the fire. I have been on so many different forums during tha last year discussing infertility and twins. I read your post in " This forum is a joke" I love this forum but I have never felt so unwelcome. I am not a mother of multiples nor am I expecting multiples. I am someone that has been through hell for the over a year and finally able to seek answers. I was prescribed clomid a month ago and yes I would like to have twins. I think I have often expressed that I do want a second child and I don't want to go through this again. However I would be blessed to have one. So is my wany for twins a crime. Should I feel bad about that. No I refuse to most women have a secret yearnimg for twins. Its just most won't admit it. As far as unprescribed clomid is concerned there are plenty of threads on here that people do not beat people up over it or spread negativity. yes they share risks but with concern. Also I admit if my doctor hadn't prescribed clomid I would have tried to find some sort of fertility med online. I was at my wits end and thankfully my doctor agreed with me and prescribed clomid. *Teddy* I think your shared experience would be positive here. Again I want to express I have no quarell with anyone here. I wish everyone the best of luck and God Bless you all. ↑
Do you think I am wrong to feel offended by this? I had to be air-vacced to another city to give birth and my husband couldn't see his children for 2 weeks. The twins stayed in the NICU for 6 weeks total and thank god they are doing great... but while I was there I saw a lot of babies whose outcomes were not so bright. I witnessed sobbing parents who were just told that their 2lb son has downs syndrome. I saw babies who were born under 2lbs. I've seen my fair share of mothers and fathers crying. I've seen babies with their internal organs born outside their bodies. I seen what its like when babies stop breathing and turn blue. I've heard what those machines sound like when they are beeping and sounding alerts. Now for those who NEED Clomid just to have kids, thats one thing. But for a perfectly fertile woman who claims she is getting u/p clomid even though she has a perscription (?!?!?! BS ALERT?!?!?!?) and she doesn't even know how to take the drug... come on, it's abuse. Anyone who is asking for a high risk pregnancy is being selfish. If my words seem hostile, I apologize but it is out of concern, not anger. Its my concern for the infants who have no say in the matter and will be brought into this world at a disadvantage by being born prematurely when the mother knowingly did this to her own children (probably because she's seeking some kind of attention that she thinks having twins will get her) Children are a blessing. They are not merely some thing to go tampering with. If a fertile woman take u/p clomid and has multiples that are born prematurely I really believe that woman should be arrested and charged with child abuse and child endangerment. These are LIVES we talking about, not trophies. ↑
*Sphinx* I am truly sorry for everything you went through and have seen. However I understand why someone would lie about taking clomid unprescribed. I understand what its like to be infertile but to conceive and then lose the baby that has to be so much worse. I can understand it. Its nice that you are expressing such passionate concern but remeber that not all of the things you have seen and mentioned above are risks on clomid. When I spoke with my perinatalologist
one of the things he mentioned to me b/c I was also worried about being on clomid was that there is not much more risk than with a normal pregnancy. The chance of concieving twins is 3-7%. Being that laceylexus has concieved twins before that would be slightly higher but really her chances of twins are not that high even if she is fertile. Now I understand that you have been through alot but saying someone should be arrested or that she would intentionally hurt a child. I don't think its selfish to want a child or even more than one child for that matter. Thats not for either you or me to say. We must remember it is God's place to make these judgements not ours. We should show concern but scorn and negative words are not the way. **LaceyLexus**The real concern here is when taking the clomid there is a much higher risk of ectopic pregnancy which can lead to a ruptured ovary or fallopian tube. There is also a higher risk of hyperovulation which can also cause the loss of an ovary and severe pain. When you are fertiile it can increase the risk of abnormal cysts. My advice is that if you're going to do it anyway let a health care provider know and at the first sign of anything get help.Also there is a limit on how long you should even use clomid and its different for everyone which is why its important you be monitored. I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't take unprescribed clomid. I'm not in their shoes. * Again I have no quarrell with anyone but I have nothing else to post here. I'm afraid this has gone too far already. God Bless you both. ↑
lacey: actually, it's not uncommon at all for women to be on 200mg or even 250mg. scary stuff though. 150 is the highest a lot of doctors go. but yeah, i'd say i'm stubborn lol. and my husband would agree. but i am 11.5w now. waiting for my appointment on the 13th to see how much the baby's grown. i've even read that you can tell the sex of the baby at 13w with 99% accuracy. that would be craziness! and to be honest, sometimes i secretly hope for twins, but i'm not brave enough to self medicate. i'm not that lucky of a person lol. and i'm really only hoping for healthy. no matter how many. hmm, yeah wait until after she says "ok the pills are legit" *smack*. =P **donna** while i may not agree with women self medicating, i'd rather they be informed. that's just how i am. i started on 50mg days 5-9. that didn't work so i had to take provera to start a period. upped the dosage to 100mg and still didn't work so i had to up the dosage again. at 150mg i had one 18mm follicle and one 32mm follicle so i got the trigger shot and got preggy. i had a lot of bleeding the day of my first ultrasound and the docs thought i had miscarried but two weeks later, beta levels were at 19,000 and i got to see our little beanie's heartbeat. but i tell ya, clomid's tough. for the 150mg dose, i had to take it at night to avoid the side effects and i still got horrible headaches. **sphinx** i'm doing pretty good. trying to keep the gas at a minimum lol. dh is fighting back hard tho haha! i can't wait for my appointment because i'll be in my 2T but i've already heard a heartbeat and my doc said once you hear it, your chances for m/c go down so i'm praying they're right. ↑
allow me to try to clarify feelings here. we know you want to have twins and would do anything to achieve that but it is such a risk it doesn't make sense to moms of multiples why someone would want to put themselves through that. i, honestly, don't think i've ever heard of a smooth multiple pregnancy. and for the people like me who had to have clomid to get even one decent egg, it just seems unfair that someone who can do it on their own isn't satisfied with what God gave them. i'm just one of those people that wants one at a time (twins would be nice, but like i said, i'd like healthy and really prefer one at time) and God didn't give me that opportunity and for someone to take the same meds i took to make one just so they can get two for one seems almost hurtful. we've actually seen women on these boards say they'd like to "kill two birds with one stone" when referring to getting pregnant with twins. some women just don't care who they offend and i think that's part of the reason we are so defensive. that and women have self medicated and ended up losing ovaries or their lives. it's just so dangerous. anyway, you just have to see it from both sides to really understand and i think we all should look at it from everyone's sides. ↑
teddy, wow, I didn't even know you were preggo. Congrats! We are pregnant together than! I guess i havent been around here as much, sorry i havent been able to congratulate you sooner. btw, I think you summed it up nicely in the last post. It really makes no sense to me. I have to question the sanity of ppl who take such drastic measures to ttc twins. I can't imagine how much worse I would have felt during the NICU days if I had to constantly think it was all my fault that my babies are sick. Plus, the Med Bills were over $75,000 but thats a whole new issue. ↑
sphinx lol np. i'm almost 12w. i'll be 12w on monday actually. but it's cool. i hadn't seen you in forever until you came back and said you were preggy again =P as for the u/p clomid, it increases your chance for twins at such a piddly percentage, it's not worth it to me. but yeah i have an appt on the 13th and i'm nervous cuz i feel like i might have cramps, but then i toot and the pain goes away lol. it's like i'm eating lentil beans every day! my poor hubby has to take all the blame in public lol. and i got an estimate from my health insurance and my cost for the delivery (God willing everything goes well) will be around $600-700. that includes labs and ultrasounds which i actually don't pay anything for. but it's super late and i'd better head to bed lol. my back is KILLING me haha. ↑
Congratz on the pregnancy Teddy!!! My doc once told me that after you hear the heartbeat and after 10w that your chances of miscarriage are less than 2%. So it sounds like your over that hurdle. Yeah!!! I so remember the gas, and it seems like it smells so much worse when your preggo!!! lol Your husbands probably proud to take the blame on those !!! LOL Thanks for your input on the clomid. Can you tell me what your side effects were? Did it make AF worse when she did come? I am not here to offend anyone by any means. Please don't get the wrong idea. I am here for information and support. When I posted that i thought I was in the room that I was reading about from 2005 (which i didn't notice the year till I went back and read it) where they were talking about u/p clomid. It was my first post and i didn't know how to do it. Somehow I started my own thread and got a few women all rilled up. I didn't mean to do that by any means. Don't get me wrong I will probably still take the clomid but I will definitely make sure I am very aware of every side effect (that's one reason i am here to learn), what to be aware of, and make sure that the midwife is doing all of the things she needs to do. It sounds like ultra sounds and blood work is the most important things after you start taking it. Is this correct? Again I am here in peace not looking for an argument. Congrats to all you preggos and hopefully Donna and I will be there soon!!!! ~Baby dust and prayers to all~ ↑
Oh yeah Teddy I wanted to tell you that I had an ultrasound with my daughter (3 different ultrasounds actually) and they all said boy. My mom kept telling me not to take the tags off of anything cause she thought it was a girl. I had the nursery painted blue and tons of little boy clothes. I listened to her and didn't get anything washed up. Glad I did cause out came a little girl. Although sometime I think that little hoo-dang might have fell off. Especially when she brings me snakes and kritters!!! LOL My mom had a feeling even though the ultra sound and doctor said it was a boy. I guess that old saying "Moms know best" is tried and true!!! ↑
Lacey, good luck! Chances are fairly slim I will agree. THere is a thread over in the general pregnancy questions called ttc twins 2008 part 9. Pretty much all the ladies over there are on u/p clomid ttc twins. I am not sure how many of us are over there, maybe 6 or 7. Out of those 6 or seven we had 2 that concieved twins, 2 conceived a singleton, 2 miscarriages and 1 (schar who posted here earlier on) that developed cysts on the Clomid. Actually one other girl (the other carrying a singleton now) did not actually concieve on Clomid but the cycle after. She too developed cysts on her ovaries and stopped taking the Clomid. Her Clomid, however, was prescribed. So maybe there are actually closer to 10 ladies at that thread because there are a few others waiting for their clomid to arrive and haven't started yet ttc yet. I have a friend who is currently pg with twins, naturally, and she is 35 weeks right now. Girl baby is 5lbs 1 oz and Boy baby is 5 lbs 6 oz. So far so good. No early labor signs and the babies have been gaining about half a pound a week the past couple of weeks. No complications except that she developed Gestational Diabetes, but she is managing it just fine with diet. My aunt and cousin both developed Gestational Diabetes and they each had singletons. Twins are high risk, but not every singleton pregnancy goes as smooth as silk either. Anyway, that is a jumble of information I thought I would share with you. Good luck. I hope dh sperm have improved! ↑
lacey: honestly, my periods were easier on me because i normally had really heavy periods and one of clomid's side effects is thinning of the uterine lining, so you have less to pass. but i had headaches and dizziness and sometimes my eyes would bother me. now that's a bad side effect, but it wasn't so bad that i had to stop taking it. but let's see here, OMG i had HORRIBLE hot flashes lol. i ended up taking my clomid at night on days 5-9 so that actually helped a lot! and of course you count day one as the first day of fresh bleeding. some women are confused about that and spotting. you really need to watch how your body reacts to it, though, because cysts are very common with clomid. see my ovaries were in hibernation, so they didn't mind the stimulation (except around O time, i did feel a lot of pain around them) and you'll have to watch for those cysts. one of my bosses where i used to work has a wife that took it and ended up losing an ovary to it. she would lay down on her back and could feel the pressure from the cyst, so you have to be really mindful of what's going on with your body. let's see, ultrasounds are usually done (for me) on cd10 and then a week later if my follicles aren't big enough and it makes sure your ovaries aren't swelling. and then they usually do day 21 bloodwork to check your progesterone to make sure you have ovulated. so good luck! this is scary stuff! as for the sex of the baby? i haven't a clue lol. i'll just go by what dh says since he makes it girl or boy lol. ↑
