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Yes, they are already conditioned to salivate at the sight of breast knowing its for nurishment(like Pavlov and his dog experiment with food and bell), but now they are learning another meaning to it which is inevitable I think. For example, in the nude topic, mom42 child, made a point of saying your bottom is showing, Jbear advised areas that are off limits, Jamie perceives potty time as private for the future. This just shows me that they understand that some parts of the body are not for everyone to see, they are closed and off limits. I don't think these parents are calling it naughty in their definition of private. I'm still waiting for Beth to tell me how old the girl was who made another comment to the others. So you just proved to me that they are bound to learn it somehow from friends or family.

I do not think they are either, but they are not making them feel like their bits are naughty only private which I believe is imperative. What I saw when I read that topic were parents who were setting boundaries and teaching their children in a healthy way social norms. Each of those ladies took a moment to explain to their child what was appropriate behavior. Going to the potty IS private but not naughty. Daddy's bits being exposed is not naughty, but the child understands that it is private and should not be exposed. Instead of her giggling she matter of factly pointed out that it was exposed. A child who believes his bits are naughty is less likely to tell their parents when they have been touched inappropriately because they feel a sense of shame, or giggle at the mention of those parts. Children who are scolded when they touch or mention these parts are equally as unlikely to confide in parents about inappropriate touching. Children need to know which bits are priviate because it is unacceptable to walk around in public nude or to touch people in these places uninvited. If you frown or fret when your child touches you in an area that is private you are teaching them that there is something shameful about what they have done. In all likelihood it is natural curiosity, not your kid trying to cop a feel. I think you have confused the issue of private vs naughty because YOU believe the two are the same. You might say that you do not, but all of examples you provided are just that.

So the 5 year old (Beth) perceives her non existent breasts to be naughty or private? You made it clear to me again that they can know both and its not what the parents told her I bet. She made the comment they aren't private parts yet. So, therefore she knows that breasts are private. It is inseparable from feeling embarrased. She cannot ignore the fact that developed breasts are not suppose to be exposed just like all the other private parts. She is saying that there is no need to be embarrased yet because their not fully developed. So how do you think she perceive her moms developed breasts if she exposes them to her and says, "Here come and eat?" I'd say no way, your not a baby anymore. This is part of social learning. She is big and my boobs have become private. She is not ashamed of her body parts but understands how to behave in socially accepted ways.

Ok let me say this for the 4th or 5th time. There are some areas which are private. I do not believe that children should be taught that those areas are naughty, dirty, or shameful. As for the 5 year old she is obviously a very smart child. She knows that BREASTS are private parts, her brother is conditioning her to also believe that they are naughty and although she has no "mommy breasts" she should be ashamed that her breasts are exposed. Not because she has actual breasts but because he believes it it socially unacceptable for a girl to be topless. Some people are not ashamed of showing their private parts publicly and I do not believe they should be, as an American, and you most assuredly are, you have been conditioned to believe that the human body in a state of undress is a shameful dirty thing. It is not. I have come to realise that what I am saying is too complex or too simple for you to grasp.

I would rather my baby come to me for comfort than a teddy bear. I would rather my baby come to me for nurishment then a sippy cup or a bottle. The formula companies have brainwashed people over the last 100 years. With clever marketing! The World Health Org. doesn't have the billions of dollars that the formulas companies have to promote how benificial breastfeeding is. The formula companies even go so far as to give away freebees to new moms who may be unsure and to stop a crying baby they try the formula. Less sucking at the breast = less milk production = more reliance on formula = millions of dollars in profits. 90% of formula using moms use the brand of formula given to them in the hospital. It makes me sick!

Oh lord April, don't try to blame this on "the man".

To Heather. You bet I give my 8 month infant all the love and comfort he needs even though I'm bottle feeding and his mouth is not on my nipple! My affection and love for him while he is sleeping or eating cannot be compared to a teddy bear or a sippy cup? You better believe how much skin to skin contact I give in replacement of the my breast touching his lips. You want to do extended breastfeeding to preschoolers, go ahead.

Sorry, I meant to type to April not Heather. April, you have no sympathy to mothers who get sick and need to stop breastfeeding to go on medication so that they can take care of their babies. I thank God formula was available to help mothers in these cases and the babies can have their mother. So what if their profiting off a good idea. Good for them. What are you jealous?

I stand by what I said 100%. Our society is completely over medicated. We don't try to fix what's wrong, we just cover it up with meds. d - If it makes you feel better to put people down, go ahead. Last time I checked I was intitled to my own opinion.

Not trying to start a fight here or anything, just stating my experience. All my kids have been or are being breastfed. They weren't in daycare as babies and my youngest is at home with me all the time. My kids are sick all the time! I don't get it. I thought breastfeeding was supposed to be the best, but now I'm not so sure!

I don't think formula has anything to do with kids being over medicated.

Why can't people read a post and reply if they feel the need, without twisting what was said?

Dear, that was in no way twisted. Did YOU read your last post?

Wow! This is turning into one of those threads that just won't die! I had no idea it'd spark off a big debate. I think it's a shame that some people try to sexualize breastfeeding. There was a story on the news here a couple of days ago, that a woman was breastfeeding her baby on a bench in a street. Some asshole reported her to the police, and the police actually told her to move on! It should be illegal to treat nursing mothers this way! It makes me so angry!

Did I miss something? Where did sick mothers come from? I have to agree with April about the formula companies and brainwashing of mothers. Nestle being the most overtly unscrupulous.

Yes, some mothers can become so depressed after birth that they need medication. Would you rather have a mother commit suicide or live if she took her medication which she was dependent on it before conceiving or just happen to get severely ill after birth?