Experience With Chemical Pregnancies

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Morrison1 - April 28

Hi - I was wondering if any of you had experience with one or more chemical pregnancies. I am having my second m/c since February and both pregnancies never got off the ground. Preg #1 the prog was 7 and the hcg got to 149...preg #2 the prog was 20 and the hcg only got to 140. The doc said it was almost like a chem preg and that since the numbers were so low, then no fetal pole formed and there would be nothing to test. However, I passed tissue this time that I don't remember passing last time (it was about the size of a raspberry and grey-ish purpleish in color. Also, I did not have a d&c either time, so it is pretty painful...lots of pretty bad cramping and I didn't think chem preg m/c hurt so much since there isn't implantation...anyway...any experience you'd like to share? I haven't made sense of this and am not sure if I should start fertility testing at this point as I am not sure whether I really have a "problem" or if these have just been flukes. Both m/c happened in the 5th week...anyone go through something similar?

 

karen goode - April 28

I am so sorry for your loss. I have suffered 2 mc. My first resulted in a D&C on 12/22. I was 8 weeks but the baby's hb had stopped. My second was just last week. I again had a D&C. This time I was 7 weeks but no embryo developed only a sac. My doctor told me any mc before 12 weeks is considered a chem. preg.. I am going to RE on 5/8. I am 35. I feel you should go for more testing. Did your doctor do blood work on you? I had 19 viles taken from me. They tested for everything but it was all negative. that is why I am going to a RE. I want every rock overturned before we ttc. I feel that God forbid I miscarry again I want to know that I did everything imaginable to find out why. Good luck to you.

 

Morrison1 - April 28

Karen...thank for your story - I too am sorry for your loss. I am not against testing at all...but since both of mine have happened sooooo early, I am am tempted to try baby aspririn and give it one more shot so that when we do test, we KNOW there is an true issue and not just two chromosomal flukes in a row. Does that make sense? It is hard to think of any of these pregnancies as chemical b/c I certainly FEEL pregnant...my body TELLS me I am, and contrary to what some explainations say, I would NEVER mistake this m/c for a late period. But, if they call anything that never got the heartbeat stage chemical, then that makes sense. I just feel like when people hear the term "chemical" then they are likely to think that you weren't "reallly" pregnant, and that is kinda disheartening. I will see the doc in two weeks to decide for sure what to do, but I am debating give it one more go.

 

pink_roses - April 28

i'm so sorry to hear that morrison. i just had my 1st m/c on april 4th. it was a missed m/c at 15 weeks (the baby stopped growing at 12 weeks). i had a d&c on april 4. i saw the hb at 6 weeks then we heard the hb at 10 weeks so it was very unexpected. i never knew that a chemical pregnancy was one before hearing a hb. it's just a term. no one can take away your experience of a real pregnancy....... what does baby aspirin do? good luck to you.

 

karen goode - April 28

Yeah I am curious about the baby aspirin too. I know that it is a treatment for a blood clotting disorder.

 

Morrison1 - April 28

Yeah, they say taking a baby aspirin each day helps to thin the blood in the case of a particular blood clotting disorder (can't remember name, but will look into it) that causes problems with the placenta. Evidently...the clotting prevents oxygenation...but like I said...I will work on getting more details. Thank you PINK...I won't let the terminology bog me down (but I probably won't say to the ignoramuses out there, either)....

 

MarcyM - April 28

Morrison, I'm sorry for your losses!! it was only last week that I first heard the term “Chemical Pregnancy.” I also had a m/c at 5weeks….as far as I know this was the first m/c. Anyway, I just wanted you to know you’re not alone as you grieve your losses and try to wade through what to do next. I too am considering seeing a specialist…a friend suggested seeing a Reproductive Endocrinologist. While this was my first m/c, this was our second loss…In February I went into early labor and delivered our daughter 20 weeks early, she was so early and so tiny…she lived only a short while and because of these 2 losses and the fact that I’m 34 we’re afraid we don’t have time to “wait and see.” So, I am considering seeing a specialist even though it may just be a “fluke”, I’m of the mind set that what can it hurt to share our story with an RE and see what they think. Now, I do have one extra piece of info that is pushing me to a specialist --I happen to know that I have MTHFR (a mutated gene that is related to blood clotting disorders—which I now know I don’t have), but after reading the stories of so many women in a similar situation I’m starting think that for me this MTHFR thing may have something to do with our loses. I’ll be thinking of you and will check back here to see what your next steps will be. All the best to you! ~Marcy

 

Morrison1 - April 30

Good morning ladies...Marcy, I am so sorry for your losses. You must be devastated. And after this, how are we all to try again and not be terrified? Ugh. I am still in a holding pattern. I am m/c at almost the exact same time as last time, but the bleeding seems to be quite a bit different. Lighter...I mean, heavy enough that it is clearly a m/c but lighter than last time...last time...I would see a lot more on the pad, but this time, most of it comes out when I use the potty and bear down. Anyway...tmi...sorry...it's just strange. I think it might be because my prog. got higher this time and my lining was a little more developed, but that is just a guess coming from a non-medical person. Anyway, I am starting to think this might be a luteal phase defect and not so much a blood clotting thing. I say this because they say one symptom of a LFD is a normally short, light period. Usually, if I am having a normal period, mine are very short and very light. I can usually get away with using a tampon one day and nothing the rest of the time. It's been that way for a long time...but my phase has been regulated by the pill for so long, it's hard to say. I did used to get my period a little earlier than the placebo week, too...even when I was on the pill...so, if this is the case...I will be looking at the option of clomid. Not sure what I think of it. Anyone else dealt with that decision? Hmmm. Welp...I hope you are all doing well. And KAREN, I have decided that I don't like th term "Chemical Preg"...it gives the impression that it wasn't real, but we all know it was. Plus, I think true chem pregnancy would m/c even earlier and with less pain than ours did. I will be curious to see what your RE says. And I will for sure do the simple blood tests, the prog, FSH and Estradiol tests, but I am not sure I am ready to dive into the big fertility testing yet as I know that will be stressful, too, and I don't want to go through that if we don't have to.

 

Morrison1 - April 30

PINK - what are your plans for moving ahead? Do you know? Are you going to test or just try again? You must just be getting back on track with your cycle about now...

 

pink_roses - April 30

i think i am finally getting back on track in terms of my cycle (i hope...). i had my d&c 3.5 weeks ago but had bleeding until about 4 days ago. it was light but i think i was still getting everything out. i have had a lot of CM and when i checked my CP a few days ago it was low and this morning it was high so i am hoping i am ovulating now or soon. DH and i did have s_x last night after not having s_x for 4 months - i had bad m/s during the pregnancy and there was something that made me nervous abot having s_x as well. we did use a condom b/c i want to wait one cycle since i had extra bleeding and i want to let my uterine lining build up after all this. i think i am going to wait to test only if i have another m/c. i do want to test but i think i need to relax and just ttc again. it scares me to think i might m/c again but i do have a tendency to get obsessive and i have to draw the line somewhere or i will drive myself crazy! i know that at 30, the rate of m/c starts to gradually go up and since i am 31 i might have to accept my slowly aging eggs. i know many people who had babies in their late 30's and early 40's after a m/c so that knowledge keeps me going right now. i also feel better after making love last night. it had been so long and i was so scared to even do it b/c of all that has happened. it was nice to feel close to my DH again. he has been so great and so patient through everything. i feel like this experience has definately made me re-a__sess my priorities (home life vs work life) which has been a good thing for me. i am trying to look at the silver lining (someone on this board told me that one day)...........morrison, you have your appt soon with the RE, right? iam soooo tempted to make an appt with one but i know they can't do much right now. i am so impatient!.............karen- are you feeling any better?

 

terrie - April 30

Hi, I'm new to this thread. I've had similar experiences to the girls here. I've had a d&c and a chemical pg. I've heard and read that a chem preg is one that can only be detected chemically like through blood tests for hormones. A miscarriage is the loss of a baby that could be seen with an ultrasound but before i think 3-4 months. After that its a stillbirth. I hate calling then chem pg too. My dh husband and my dr both think my chem pg is almost meaningless. My dr says that if it wasn't for modern technology I would've just thought my af was late. The thing is I know that i conceived a baby, but it just did not implant. By the way, my chemical pg loss did not hurt.

 

Morrison1 - April 30

PINK - I totally understand your wanting to ttc again before testing. I think fetility testing could be just as stressful and become something more to obsess over just as another pregnancy or m/c. The whole thing, no matter how you slice it, it stressful. I am not sorry I tried again even though I m/c again...I am 36, and well...that could mean I have more problems having a baby. I knew that was the case, so I can't be surprised - as much as I would have preferred it to be easier. I think you will do what is right for you and you will be able to stick by that decision knowing you did what was right. I am thinking of ttc a third time without doing major fertility testing, too. I will do the prog and fsh and estradial tests, which are simple blood tests, but I don't want to to major testing unless I knew it's necessary. So, to answer your question, I do not see an RE soon. I will just see my regular OB, who happens to work in a clinic that does fertility work, in two weeks. I will do the blood tests and talk with her and then make my decision for sure. I am not ready for an RE just yet...unless she suggests it, which I do not think she will. Thing is, 2 miscarriages are not uncommon...that is the hard, fast truth. TERRIE - welcome...I am sorry for your loss. And OF COURSE your pregnancy meant something...they just don't understand. Maybe show your DH some of this board and it might help him. I have decided not to EVER use the term chemical preg....especially since my doc didn't say that was what I had...but just that it was "similar to" one. Bottom line is that any pregnancy that was never detected by u/s and fails in the first trimester is considered chemical, which is ridiculous. It a__sumes nothing formed, but that isn't true. I know for certain I had a sac, so I guess that makes it more of a "blighted ovum"...but whatever...a m/c is a m/c early on. That's my story and I am sticking to it. And I am certain I would not have mistaken this for a late period as I would have been over 2 weeks late, which is uncommon for me. I think most women know the difference between a period and a m/c don't you? Anyway, I am sorry your doctor, and especially your dh, are unwilling to really give credence to your situation...that has to be painful. We're here anytime you need. PINK - you might consider doing just the basic blood tests (the ones you won't need an RE for usually)...they are Progesterone (at either 7-9 dpo or CD21) and the FSH/Estradiol test (at cd3) which will check the quality of your eggs. It could be a good place to start without going to an re off the bat and stressing yourself out further.

 

terrie - April 30

morrison1, what is the fsh test. Is it like a blood test for the progesterone? I would like to check the qualty of my eggs and my husbands sperm count? About how much are those tests? I am on my 5th cycle of clomid w/ 1 month to go. We plan on doing extensive testing in Jan. after trying on our own for awhile. I'm not ready for IUI, though. (that would be the next step if clomid doesn't work, or atleast thats what i've read) Its hard enough to have to bd during ovulation. Best of luck to all. ((((((((Baby Dust )))))))

 

pink_roses - April 30

morrison- sorry about the RE confusion. this stuff is so new to me. i keep thinking you see an RE for blood tests like that. so the ones you recommend are tests a regular OB does? i think my OB thinks i am crazy already and in too much of a hurry. she agve me the whole speech of not charting for now and i i don't get pregnant by the end of the summer then i should come back and learn to chart. you bet your apples i am going to start charting now. i already started. i know she is trying to take the stress of off the whole process but i am just not the type to not do something i know how to do. i will stress more if i miss the window completely. i am not going to go crazy with charting but i am going to do it. i guess i can ask her about those tests. i have feeling she will think i am crazy- but who cares, right? i know she does do fertility work too but i think b/c i got pregnant so quickly last time (1st month of really trying) that i will get pregnant again. are the blood tests for fertility or to see if you have enough hormone to sustain a pregnancy?

 

karen goode - April 30

Thank you Pink Roses for asking. Do I feel better? Well that's hard to answer. I feel physcially better much better then after the first one. I am emotionally not too good. On the outside I look great. On the inside is quite a different story. It seems the TV is always saturated with babies and all these hollywood people who are pregnant. I promised myself that with this past preg. I was not going to plan ahead but I did. I imagined how far along I would be when I have to go to some weddings in July. I found solace that I would be pregnant and July which would help me get through my first baby's due date. I am doing the best I can. I am anxious for my appt. on May 8 with the specialist. How are you doing? Sorry for venting so long.

 

pink_roses - April 30

karen- you should vent as much as you need to! that is what this board is for. i feel like i look better on the outside than i feel on the inside as well. although i understand how you feel, i can't way i truly understand the raw emotion after 2 m/c. i know what you mean about seeing pregnant women and babies. i am still up and down emotionally but my crying fits are not as unpredictable as they were earlier. i used to cry out of nowhere which was hard at work. i was finding that i had to hold back tears every hour. these days i think i am just numb. i am living day to day for now and hoping time will heal. you should vent as much as you want here and hopefully you will feel better soon. i wish i could be more helpful. maybe you can try a ma__sage or something fun to take your mind off things? keep us updated especially after your RE appt and take care of yourself! ......... terrie- hi! i hate the term chemical pregnancy too. in fact, i really dislike a lot of the terms the medical community uses to describe m/c. good luck to you too!

 

Morrison1 - April 30

OK girls...step one...NO more use of the term "chemical pregancy". In fact , I may have to move us to a new thread to clear that up. Anyway...we were ALL pregnant, regardless of how long. That's my story and I am sticking to it. KAREN - I completely understand what you are saying. Pregnant people are EVERYWHERE. Heck...evidently, it has been a LOOOONG winter. I keep reminding myself that it is ALWAYS possible that each pregnant woman I see has had trouble too. Maybe a m/c, maybe a different problem conceiving, and it helps me. I try not to let myself imagine that it has been easy a perfect for them, and that we all have trouble and that dh and I are MEANT to be parents and that it WILL happen....keep your chin up babe...your time is coming, I promise! I have noticed that I have a lot less blood this time...both of my m/c have been natural, so I expected this one to be just like the last one, but I guess not. How have yours been different, physically? And Karen...turn OFF that d__n tv. Rent movies if you must, but make sure they aren't about pregnant women. Brokeback Mountain is out!! Ha...sorry...trying to lighten the mood...but really...my point is genuine. Watch what you watch and keep yourself safe in this time of healing. It is OK to do so. PINK...no problem. I only keep up with 2 or 3 threads, and I STILL get confused. And I consider myself a smart cookie! It really may depend on your doctor and where you live as to what kind of tests they will do without referring you to an RE. I happen to see an OB that is part of a fertility clinic...so she can do at least some basic tests without going hog wild. The FSH test (this is to you too, TERRIE) is the Follicle Stimulation something or other. Basically, it is done on Cycle day 3 and evaluates the viability of your eggs. The progesterone test (done on CD21 OR on DPO 7-9) looks at the progesterone in your system as naturally secreted by the corpus luteum after ovulation. If there isn't enough progesterone you could have what is called a Luteal Phase Defect. This basically means that your luteal phase is too short to nurture a pregnancy, even if fertilization occurs and you are healthy. Both tests will indicate a potential problem that can be solved with meds (clomid, heparin, B6, baby asprin, etc.), so they are rather simple tests that an OB can request without much "to do"....beyond that, you get in to more serious "fertility and genetic testing" that may need to be done by an RE. So, I am planning on doing the basics and trying again, unless the basics tell me something big is wrong...make sense? I have had a gla__s of wine, so if I am rambling, I am sorry. Anyway...PINK has a great idea with the ma__sage. I did one after the last m/c and plan to do a ma__sage and facial again when the bleeding is over. Take CARE of yourselves. This is BIG stuff...even if the people around you can't see it. That is why we are here. But treat yourself...go easy on yourself and let yourself grieve. We have all experienced a loss and it is important to honor that. Hope you are all doing well...and ready for the new week. If not...stay home another day. Really. It's OK.

 

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