Preseed Question

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soimpatient - May 8

Okay, I've been using preseed for months now. But I found this note on fertility friend: "No lubricants, even ones that claim to be sperm-friendly or sperm-neutral, are meant to be a replacement for cervical fluid and most are unfriendly to sperm." I am now wondering if preseed could be hindering our ability to conceive? Any thoughts or opinions?

 

linds99 - May 8

You know, I read on this site a few weeks ago the exact same thing...that it is "unfriendly to sperm," but maybe not as bad as other brands out there. However, it does still kill smaller amounts of sperm. Some girl posted on the forum how altering the natural cervical fluid with that stuff causes a hostile environment. So I asked my own doctor last Monday when I went to see her and she warned to never use that stuff, that it was a waste of money, and that she told me it causes a hostile environment...same things I read on this forum. She said basically, your own mucous is better, even if you don't get "egg white", and you are just wet. I rarely get egg white, I get "wet and watery" which is what I was concerned with, and she said it was alright. So my doctor told me to try drinking a lot of water to purify the body more, and I can tell you that it is working, my mucous is more consistent and wetter than previous months. I would say stop using that stuff, and see your gyn to get a culture on your cervical mucous. That is my opinion though.

 

Lin - May 8

According to the studies done, it doesn't kill much more sperm than your own cervical fluid does naturally. The difference between the sperm killed by cm and the sperm killed by Preseed was less than 1% of the total, and the sperm motility is about the same as for cm. Of course, the only studies done were funded by INGFertility, the company that makes Preseed, so the results should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

soimpatient - May 8

Thanks Linds and Lin! I wish I would have read that yesterday cause last night I just ordered another big batch! I do question studies funded by companies that have an interest in making a buck!

 

staci - May 8

well, that info just ruined my day! and the rest of my tww! I used that this time :(

 

staci - May 8

Here is an artilcle i found, looking for more..Surprising results from a prospective controlled study of v____al lubricants were presented at a meeting of the American Society For Reproductive Medicine and the Canadian Fertility And Andrology Society in Montreal. Four products, FemGlide, Replens, Astroglide and Pre-Seed have been routinely recommended to couples that are trying to get pregnant. Dr.Ashok Agarwal and colleagues from the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio took a closer look at the effects of the four products and their influence on donor sperm. It turned out, that FemGlide, Replens and Astroglide all reduced the sperm motility and integrity. When mixed in vitro (in a test tube) quality and movement of the sperm showed a sharp decline. Activity in untreated sperm amounted to 66%. A presence of only 10% Astroglide led to a rock bottom 2% mobility. The other product, Pre-Seed, did not slow the sperm down. A second test measured DNA damage in sperm that had been exposed to lubricant solution for four hours. Again, only Pre-Seed had the lowest impact. It showed 7% more chromatin damage than untreated sperm. KY had 10% more damage and FemGlide showed 15% of damaged sperm. The researchers caution that problem lubricants are likely to cause additional hurdles for couples struggling with infertility, as chances for fertilization decrease with certain lubricants.

 

soimpatient - May 8

Thanks staci...so what do you think? are you going to continue to use preseed?

 

soimpatient - May 8

sorry...here's another question...is it better to use preseed or have "dry" s_x?

 

linds99 - May 8

Honestly, think about it...our mothers, grandmothers, and great grandmothers conceived without pree-seed, I think you can too! Try drinking tons of water everyday, you will see a remarkable difference in your own natural fluid...but again, that is my opinion.

 

Lin - May 8

Staci, that 7% in your post refers to the same 1% I stated in my post above (and is from the same study). It's 7% more damage than your cervical mucous causes, which is a difference of <1% of the total. While normal cervical mucous kills 14.8% of sperm, Preseed kills 15.5%. That's not much more and so could be worth it for women with little or no cervical mucous to begin with. But again, the only studies that have been done are the ones by the company that makes the product, so again - grain of salt. Linds - while yes, our mothers and grandmothers conceived without Preseed, there were still many that did not conceive at all or that had a very hard time conceiving. In fact, it took 9 years after my uncle was born for my grandmother to conceive my mother. If I don't have to wait that long, why should I?

 

soimpatient - May 8

I agree with lin...while some of our ancestors conceived easily some others didn't (as is the case in my family). Since i have already purchased TONS of preseed I will probably use it and when I run out I might try as Linds suggests au naturael for a cycle. Thanks again for the info ladies and good luck ttc!

 

staci - May 8

lin that is the same article you found? if it was there wasn't anything in there about the 14.8% and 15.5% ratio..where did you get your info? I didn't get to many results, may be in the way i'm asking my Q though....Linds, yep our grandmothers mothers etc. got pg without this stuff, but doesn't mean everyone is the same way..All i drink is water, and lots of it and i still do not have a good amount of cm, never have..But i do agree and it is a fact that increasing your fluid (water)intake will help with your natural fluids, and will help more women than not...Soimpatient, I'm not sure if I will keep using it or not .it depends on what adventure clomid takes me on! This is my 1st month taking it and it is known to dry you out. I will ask my dr. what he thinks about it next time we talk...If anyone finds anymore info let us know! thanks!

 

staci - May 8

lin, meant to say "it wasn't in the article i found" ..there i go not proof reading again!

 

linds99 - May 8

Lin, I never said don't take it...you don't have to wait nine years, take it if you want. Respect my opinion please, I said it was my opinion.

 

Lin - May 8

Staci, you can download the pdf file of the abstract on the INGFertility website: http://www.ingfertility.com/images/asrm_2005_abstract.pdf

 

Lin - May 8

Linds, there was no animosity in what I said, so please don't read it in there. I was just stating a point of view on why I would take the risks, just as you stated your point of view on why you wouldn't. There's no reason to a__sume that I wasn't respecting your opinion. By the way, of course take those dashes out of that url I just posted!

 

linds99 - May 8

Staci, when you ask your doctor about increasing your cervical mucous and using help with pree-seed, can you ask him whether that stuff actually changes the natural flora of the v____a? I read on this forum that a woman complained that pree-seed use gave her a silent bacterial infection...I would like to know what your doctor says about that in terms of it changing the ph of it.

 

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