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Ok, if they are having trouble expressing themselves and talking to you. I wouldn't worry to much about potty training. It sounds like they are not ready and neither are you. I have been potty training my 2 yr old and it very frustrating. And even the littlest bit of frustration that my 2 yr old can see makes it worse. I wouldn't worry about it or stress your self. People should understand that you are going through alot just getting them to bed at night. LOL. Anyhow, Are you anywhere near Virginia Beach. I need help too....lol it would be great to have someone else there. I know it can be heck-it, I try really really hard not to yell. but it seems like the older they get the more they don't listen and they are starting to plot on things that they know that they are not suppose to do. I am sorry.....I feel for you. Anyway, i don't have any advice, but to try to find a mommy group in your area. Or preschool. I signed my 2 1/2 yr old up for preschool 2 times a week for 4 hours. It will start in Sept. Most churches have it, you have to call around and find the one the accepts 2 1/2yr olds. It will help them be social and learn shapes, colors and potty time. Anyhow.....good luck

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