OT Any Elementary School Teachers

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sophandbob - February 6

Rabbits07 - as a teacher myself I find your comment a little confusing. Are you saying teachers should teach everything or have I misunderstood? In some schools in the UK it is now the norm for children to arrive at school at 3 without an ability to talk (no joke). Teachers even have to toilet train some children. I think that is excessive. I may have misunderstood but I think that it is perfectly acceptable to expect a 4 year old to be able to write their own name, count to 10, know shapes and colours as well as dress and undress themselves and use a toilet appropraitely. I can a__sure you teachers do actually teach - as well as perform the role of the parent for many children too it would seem.

 

sophandbob - February 6

The social security does seem a bit odd and OTT though!! :)

 

Shana B - February 6

I think the school time is 7:45 am to 2:30 pm. (I really need to find this stuff out so I can figure out my work schedule.) Her pre-k cla__s does an end of year evaluation so I guess we'll see her level then. However, b/c she has a late b-day, we have the option of waiting another year to enroll her. I don't think we'll do that b/c she is ready for Kindergarten, imo. I'm with mcatherine though, I don't think I want her or anyone else knowing her ssn though.

 

Shana B - February 6

By the way, thanks so much for the responses. It helps me to know what we need to work on :)

 

Rabbits07 - February 6

sophabob, my reply was in reference to academics only. I do not think that a child should have to know their letters, numbers, how to count, write their name etc. before going to school. I'm aware that with the fast pace at which academics is now taught in schools that it is necessary...that teachers do not have time to teach the kids the basics because they are trying to teach goofy things required by the state that the child will either never use again or is just going to be repeated in every other grade ahead. I just think that it's sad that children are expected to already know these things. What if they happen to have parents who are illiterate? They are going to come into school already behind. When I went to kindergarten I learned how to write my name, how to count, say my abc's, etc. all from school and not to toot my own horn but I'm 100x more intelligent than some of the students that are graduating from high school these days so I don't think the accelerated academic plans are making them smarter. I work with students who are juniors and seniors in high school and have actually had to define words that I use in conversation with them because they didn't know what they meant. Also, when I worked as a teacher's aide we had several high school students who couldn't even read. I had to do a phonics program with them to get them to a first grade reading level. They came from a poor family and the parents were illiterate, so as I referenced before, expecting parents to do a portion of the teaching can actually be harmful if they are truly incapable of doing it. I don't have anything against teachers. If I did I wouldn't be working toward obtaining my teaching certification....I just think that the state requirements and expectations are exceeding what some children are capable of. As far as potty training, dressing themselves, packing their own bags, etc. those are reasonable expectations before they enter school as they are basic social skills and behaviors. Academically, I feel it's gotten out of hand. JMO.

 

sophandbob - February 6

The main thing is that you don't push her too hard. Being so young she could be turned off school, one of the advantages of starting her a year later. The fact she wants to go is a good sign. Late enrollment would be a good idea if she were a boy. Tristan is an August baby and in the UK that would make him the younges in his year. if it were possible I would delay his entry to school for a year, but we can't do that is the UK (except for certain LEA's)

 

sophandbob - February 6

Fair enugh. True some parents are illiterate, but most are lazy. I'd be interested to know if your opinion changes once you have got your certification and have been doing the job a while.

 

sophandbob - February 6

Sorry, just re-read my post and saw how rude my last comment was. Shouldn't have said 'most', should have said 'some'. Sorry.

 

sahmof3 - February 6

I can see both your POV Rabbits and S&B... and I think it's because I have 2 VERY different kids. My oldest just went to K at age 6. There is NO way he would have been able to write his name and several other K requirements by age 4 and I'm not a lazy parent. He just hadn't hit that "learning jump" yet... he didn't until mid-fall when he was 5 (and in his 2nd year of pre-school... in his first year of preschool they did a K ready a__sessment and they recommended he not go to K the next year)... but it sounds like this is not a possibility in the U.K.? Here (my school district at least) they can start as late as 7, but I felt he was ready this year. Anyway... on to Leah. She recognizes all of her letters upper and lower case, knows and draws her shapes, writes her name, dresses herself, uses the toilet alone, etc. and by the a__sessment that Nathan's preschool used she's ready for K now and she just turned 3. So, I can see that if I would have been expected to have Nathan up to par in all of those skills to send him by age 4 I would have been viewed as a bad parent, but he truly was not ready and I couldn't drum it into his mind because he was not mentally ready to learn all of that yet. It was hours upon painstaking hours getting him to learn these things, but Leah has picked this stuff up like a sponge with barely any effort on my part... and would I have been viewed as a good parent with her? I guess I'm just lucky we had the option to send him years later!

 

sahmof3 - February 6

My onyl beef with the whole school thing now is that I feel that my ds' teacher expects perfection in every area. Every day a new reader is sent home for Nathan to read and send back the next day. He then reads it to his teacher. He does well with all of them, but he learns by memorization. I do want him to learn phonics, but I think it's ridiculaous that the report card that was just sent home looks like he is failing reading, when he is ahead in reading... he just needs to work on his phonics. UGH! Just a little vent. It is very stressful having a school system that seems to require perfection from parent and child... I wish there wasa little wiggle room for kids who learn a different way in the U.S.

 

Rabbits07 - February 6

Well, I worked in a school for 3 years. One year was in the pre-k section and the other 2 was in the learning center so I'm not exactly stating a blind opinion without any experience in the field. As I stated in my previous post I've had to teach high school students how to read because they were left behind. Yes, some parents are lazy and don't put any effort towards teaching their child, but that isn't the child's fault and it's a shame that the child will suffer for it. In any case, the way I look at it if I put forth all the effort to go to school and get my degree and I get a job as a teacher then I am there to teach....it's not my place to look at whether the parent could or couldn't have taught the child more. I'm getting paid to do that job, not judge as to whether the parent was capable of doing it.

 

sophiasmom - February 6

This is a great/interesting thread.... My ds is 3yrs and it is making me think about where here he is at as far developmental stages. He is going to preschool right now and I am glad that he meets all the milestones that you guys mentioned... but the memorizing the SS# and tying the shoes... The velcro ones he has it down but not the ones with laces...I guess I have to start working on those...he understands/speaks three languages (French, Spanish and English)...I am Spanish, my dh is French and the school is in English...

 

sahmof3 - February 6

i can also see froma teacher's POV that if they are expected to teach a certain curriculum and it is based on kids knowing X beforehand, it would be very difficult to execute the curriculum when some are behind. But now with a kid who was behind I know that sometimes it is not possible to teach things to a child until their mind is ready. Rabbits... here's a story that I think is part of the point you are making. We went to that registration meeting last year and the superintendent was talking about getting your child familiar with the dibels curriculum, phonemics, the Zaner-Bloser alphabet. I ONLY knew what the heck they were talking about because it had been discussed in his preschool a__sessment. And our school district doesn't offer free preschool. So, if you are too poor to send your kid to preschool... tough! At least in our SD. It's sad because I think am a reasonably intelligent person. I have a B.S. degree in a somewhat related field (had many child development cla__ses)... and I would NOT have known what they were talking about had I not been able to afford to send my son to preschool. I worked with my son to get to know his letters and what sounds they make... only to be told that I did not do it in the correct order (I went A-Z) lol. So, I don't really think parents can be expected to know all of these things and have kids ready in the "proper" way if proper means teaching beginning sounds in a different order and they don't know what that order is ahead of time. Well, in any case... hopefully I will be more savy about all of this with the next 2. By then it will have all changed again with my luck ;-)

 

sahmof3 - February 6

typos!!!! I promise *I* actually did go to school lol.

 

Emily - February 6

social security number? are you serious? Whre are you from UUMC_wife? (your name is Emily also correct?) Maybe it is me being form small town america, but that isn't something ever required even in college...

 

Keli - February 6

as an elem PE teacher.... she needs to know how to stand in line,sit BEHIND, BESIDE or IN FRONT OF someone... ( for real you'd be amazed at how many K's can not follow basic directions). She needs to know how to tie her own shoes... write her alphabet... and be familiar with the sounds of the alphabet. you may get on the schools website, and email a K teacher, and find out if there is anything you could do, to prepare her for K. And if you get that teacher, you will have one head step up on the ladder... she will be impressed! Jumping jacks, situps and pushups are optional!!! ( just kidding)

 

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