Vaccinations

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Mommy - June 22

Jamie, I went to public school all my life and unless you have a religious reason or medical reason not to be vaccinated, you have to be up to date to register. Because of the Mumps outbreak a few months ago, there are already signs up in our town saying that any child who is not up to date will not be admitted. And if you aren't vaccinated, you have to bring written proof from your church adminstrator or your doctor saying that you are exempt from having the vaccines. I'm not saying it's like this at every public school, but the town I'm from you must be vaccinated or have the valid proof of why your not. My boys get shots, I figured it was pretty commonplace to. I'm not knocking people who don't want to give their shots, it's your decision, after all. :o) I don't know any anti-vaxers personally. I'm too scared to read the horror stories about vaxes as well. I figure everyone I know are vaxed, their kids are vaxed and we're all fine. To me the risk of autism is just as scary as the risk of getting the disease without being immune to it yet. Pros and cons to both sides. :o)

 

pbj - June 22

I will say that I am vaccinating and plan on continuing to do so. I find a lot of what is on the internet a bunch of s*it. You could find a website to say just about anything so I don't really give that much creedence. I think that every parent feels certain reservations when taking their child in for their shots, but you just have decide what is right for you. I will say though that it frightens me that their are children who are not being vaccinated and all I can do is hope that my childs vacc. do protect her it she is exposed to one who is not. Just something to think about as well, remember there are people entering this country from other countries that do not have vaccinations and still have many of the same diseases. All one needs to do is to get in contact with that person and not be protected. Jamie, I'm sure the reason the military requires your child to have their vacc. is for this reason. You are in other countries where they may still diseases that we vacc. against; however I'm sure Germany is not one of them. I sure also it could be in part to the fact that if one person on the base catches something it could spread very quickly.

 

Jamie - June 22

Mommy, check your state's website. No public school district can deny education based on lack of immunizations; you just have to know how to get exemption. PBJ, I understand the government's reasoning behind requiring vaccines for DODDS schools. I don't agree with it. I don't have to agree with it. I think it's B.S. that the government can dictate to me that I have to inject artificial c___p into my daughter's body in order to get her an education. J.J., DODDS is Department of Defense Districts/Schools. It's the schools provided by the US gov't for the children of active duty military stationed overseas, since we live in foreign countries.

 

Rabbits07 - June 22

Stae law varies on vaccinations and schools. In the state of VA you do not have to have a letter from the church...you only have to sign a paper witnessed and stamped by a notorary (sp?) that it is against your philosophical or religious beliefs to immunize. After my first daughter had the adverse reaction I did not have my others vaccinated until they were much older and this was all I had to do and they went to public school.

 

HannahBaby - June 22

i would listen to your doctor. My nephew is severely autistic and his mother is EXTREMELY against vacinations. but she would be, you know. I think the parents of autisitc kids are so desperate to find a place to put all of the blame, and i guess vaccinations are an easy target. I talked to my ped and she said there is no PROVEN link between autism and vaccinations. There fore i have given all of my daughter shots at the scheduled time EXCEPT the time she got the mmr. Just because it has side effects i had her get her regular scheduled shots, then 2 weeks later the MMR

 

pbj - June 22

Not to start a big arguement here Jamie, but I also believe that the govt (through the people) is providing free education to your child, I think it has every right to set such requirements. If you disagree then send your child to a private school. I understand your situation is different since your husband is in the military, but unfortunately that is a decision that you have made. This is not meant in any way to be an insult (I say that because you can get quite defensive), but you hardly seem like the military type...as matter of fact, you seem that you would be very anti-military. How in the world did you end up in the military? Seriously I am curious.

 

bean - June 22

PBJ - since when is public education free? Man, I wish it were - then maybe my property taxes wouldn't be so DAMN HIGH! Hannababy - is there a proven link that vaccines and autism are NOT related? Haven't seen the research on that one either. It's so easy to say nope, no proof in either direction - so yes, it all comes down to personal choice. I personally think parents who do get all the vaccines so young are simply p__sed off at parents who prefer to wait because hey, from my point of view, if your kid is vaccinated than I don't have to worry about mine getting anything...

 

melissa g. - June 22

i wonder of this is true -- i sopke to MIL today who works as a special education preschool teacher and she said autism rarely shows up before age 2, which is also when the MMR is given, so in her opinion, some folks tend to blame on the vaccine a condition which was in the process of presenting itself anyway. Dont know if that is true or not. its all very worrying!

 

Jamie - June 22

So, PBJ, you think that just because the gov't provides a free education for my child, I should just shut up and do what they say? Sorry, I don't think so. It's actually in the Const_tution that education is free to all, to prevent an educated upper cla__s and under-educated lower cla__s split in our society. As far as me being un-military, what hell do you know about me? THAT's the part that offends me and p__ses me off. To be perfectly honest with you, I'm probably the most military-minded person I know here in Darmstadt, because I actually LIKE crawling through the mud with a rifle. I MISS it. I MISS the ruck marches, and the physical and mental challenges the military posed The military, however, seems to take great pride in screwing over the families of soldiers. I never intended to be a soldier's wife - I wanted to be a soldier. I fully intended to be career military. Then I got pregnant. Not a day goes by that I don't think about re-enlisting. However, my daughter needs at least one parent who can be with her at all times, rather than be shipped back to the States to spend a year or more with grandparents. As I said, PBJ, you don't know a d__n thing about me. Choosing to serve in the military should NOT mean that we also choose to give up our native rights, and it's d__n unfair that it does.

 

jas - June 23

It's not as simple as disagreeing with the gvt school and taking the child to private school... I am in Japan - there IS so private school here. Unless I teach him myself (um... NOT) there IS no choise. The military is a different kind of life. I am not saying it's harder or easier then anyone elses life - it's just different. There are a LOT of things we don't have control over (as spouses)... ESPECIALLY being over seas. School is one. DAYCARE is another. The facillity here is pathetic, I wouldn't put my dog there. Hense, I quit my job and am staying home. I don't have different places to choose from. DOCTORS - I have what I have, there are only so many on base and you deal with what you are given. (mostly incompetance...) The list goes on and on. I am only trying to make you understand that choises as simple as weather or not to vaccinate my child are not as black and white for everyone. Be glad you have a choice. I don't see Jamie as being anti-military (yes, I have read her other posts) I see her as dealing with what the military life gives us as best as she can.

 

Jamie - June 23

Morning, Jas. In addition to childcare and healthcare, we also get c___ppy food (the produce at the commissary is the rotten stuff that doesn't get sold at the farmer's market the week before!), and virtually NO selection for products at the PX. One very big reason we switched to cloth diapers is because the PX never carries the same brand of diapers in the same size two weeks in a row. When we were still using disposables, I had to buy them 4 or 5 packs at a time, to make sure I didn't have to drive all over Germany just to get freaking diapers. I'm d__n grateful I only have to put up with this for another 18 months.

 

jas - June 23

LOL! Don't get me started on the BX!!!! AAFES SUCKS! They never have what you want or need, if they do, it's outdated and useless... I was hoping it was only here... I have a feeling England will be the same way - oh well... At least I can go off base and not play charades to communicate what I need there. I am looking forward to the stop in the states to see family before we go. haha - I say family, but if they want to see me, they'll have to catch me at WalMart :P

 

Rabbits07 - June 23

Actually children with autism almost always exhibit symptoms by age 2. If a child has no symptoms by age 3 it is highly unlikely that he/she will go on to develop autism later (though I have read about a case where no symptoms were exhibited until later). Unfortunately, the average age of diagnosis is age 3 (though as I said most children exhibit symptoms much earlier.) Many parents notice problems from birth, whereas, other children seem to be perfectly normal until later and suddenly "change". MMR vaccination recommendation age is between 15-18 months, so it would not account for those who exhibit from birth....but there are other vaccinations, of course, that are given from birth. I don't really think that vaccinations are just something to blame for parents with children of autism....I believe the blame has come due to the fact that A) autism almost always shows up by 2 and children are fully vaccinated (besides some boosters) by age 2. and B) alot of children begin exhibiting symptoms for the first time after immunizations. Of course, they are constantly getting shots when they are under 2 so it could just be a coincidence. I'm not saying vaccinations DO cause autism, I'm just saying I think parents are validated in their concerns. Unfortunately, we just don't know what causes it. It could be vaccinations, or it could be a recessive gene that is activated by vaccinations or other enviromental factors, or it could be only enviromental factors, or something else altogether may be the cause.....we just don't know. That is why it is so important that the research continue.

 

pbj - June 23

Jamie, you are a nasty friggin' person. No, I don't personally know you, I of course am judging by a broad overview of your advice and statements. No, you don't seem like the type of person who would be in the military. You are so d__n defensive, I asked you a serious question, it was not meant to be condescending. I've tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, but no longer. Be miserable and nasty, I don't really give a s*hit!

 

Jamie - June 23

I'm a nasty person because I defend my character? Right.

 

pbj - June 23

There's no defending to do, I was asking you a legitmate question. It has nothing to do with your character. I was simply stating that normally when you think of one in the military it's not of a mom who is environmentally concious, who is against vacs, etc. Maybe I'm not correct and maybe there are many the same as you. That is why I said you would seem anti-military. You get defensive when there is no reason for it, I was simply asking a d__n question. Not everyone is out to get you, some people like me, are just curious. There's nothing to get p__sed out, and when you say "you don't know a d__n thing about me" did you ever think that maybe some of us would like to really get to know eachother? Maybe my asking you is trying to get to know you? But I see that is not an agenda for you. BTW, free education is not a const_tutional right. It is a right granted by the states, not the federal govt. I am sorry that you get screwed being the military, but if you would go back and read what I said you will see that I specifically stated that I understand your situation is different. There's no point in trying to carry a conversation with you, you obviously don't wish for anyone here to really know where you're coming from. I know, as a civilian, I really don't count.

 

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